Ask a Politician: I hate both Trump and Clinton. What should I do?

I’ll assume your question is honest.

First, if you hate both it stands to reason that you’re in the middle of the political spectrum, neither a right wing or left wing ideologue, but more of a pragmatic moderate.

Which means you can use nonpartisan factchecking sites like Fact-checking U.S. politics | PolitiFact and I suggest you look up both candidates on those sites to weigh the truthfulness of the claims they’ve made—and of the claims made against them by the other side.

One telling item was an article in the New York Times about a check PolitiFact did on both candidate’s public statements. It found that Clinton lied 28% of the time, while Trump lied 76% of the time. That’s a big, big difference.

It’s easy to find hit pieces on both candidates in the partisan media, so I look for sources that seem more trustworthy on a given topic.

For example, here’s a detailed article on Trump’s business dealings in Fortune Magazine (source of the Fortune 500 list), a longstanding business publication that’s read by captains of industry:

How Donald Trump Made Millions Off His Biggest Business Failure

Here’s the article’s conclusion:

“No amount of spin will make Trump’s dozen years at the helm of a Trump Hotels, the only public company Trump has ever run, look like anything but a flop that damaged thousands of shareholders, bondholders, and workers. The sole “winner” now packs arenas across America, mesmerizing tens of thousands of cheering fans with tales of his business triumphs.”

And here’s an equally detailed article from the Washington Post listing and describing authoritative Republicans who have decided to vote for Clinton instead of Trump:

Here’s the growing list of big-name Republicans supporting Hillary Clinton

And on CNN:

Republicans for Hillary?

In foreign policy, Politico reports this:

“More than 100 Republican foreign policy elites signed a March open letteropposing Trump on the grounds that he is unqualified to oversee American national security — a searing concern that Trump has not assuaged with his shifting statements on foreign policy and unfamiliarity with basic issues. In a sign that Trump has largely failed since the end of primary season to win over reluctant critics within his party, at least a dozen of those people now say they expect to cast a ballot for Clinton.”

Read more:…

I haven’t been able to find equally authoritative reportage of Democratic officials saying they’ll be voting for Trump.

Hope this helps resolve your delimma.

Just remember, not voting for one = voting for the other. It’s like the story about two campers in Alaska with a Grizzly bear poking its nose in the tent. One camper starts putting on his shoes. The other says “What are you doing? You can’t outrun a Grizzly.” The other replies “I don’t have to outrun the Grizzly.”

Get it?

Trump zealots will think this image is terrific, and clever too. Others will find it means Trump looks a lot like Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, the Turkish president who’s currently imprisoning many tens of thousands of political opponents, using an abortive military coup as pretext. Calling for the imprisonment of political foes—whatever the basis—threatens democracy, causing visions of 3rd world countries exercising “Victor’s Justice.”

Which political opinions make you angry?

That hate and violence and destroying people’s lives is ok as long as you are holding the “right” political views and you sorta-maybe suspect your opposing group for being whatever thing that was really bad in the past… (such as fascist).

Apparently today, if you align with personal freedom then you’re a fascist…

Here’s the definition of a fascist:…

Definition of fascism

  1. often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
  2. a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial controlearly instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge


\ˈfa-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective, often capitalized


\fa-ˈshi-stik also -ˈsi-\ adjective, often capitalized

When you call someone who stands for freedom of expression/choice/speech and rights for the individual, not groups… a fascist… You can not avoid making yourself look like a fool because that’s completely different from what a fascist really is.

But that’s not the important message. The important message is that your ideology is NEVER ever “the right one”… I wouldn’t even dare believe that about my own… But at least I conduct my discourse peacefully. I do not condone violence or using force against dissenters… which is more in line with fascism than supporting the “wrong” ideology is.

It really really angers me, that people have so much malice and evil inside them that they would cause others violence and ruin their lives, try to take away heir means of supporting themselves, practically forcing them into poverty… all because they didn’t agree.

Shifting people’s views and mentality takes time and effort… and peace. You cant beat people over the head with your ideology and expect them not to resist you…

You cant threaten people with forcing them to be poor just because they didn’t understand your political view and not expect them to fight you.

if you threaten people’s basic needs such as safety and the need for survival(food, shelter, water)… You trigger their basic animal survival instincts. They will fight. You will be creating your own war. It’s basic psychology. If you want people to stop acting like animals, step one is to stop treating them like one.. or at least not triggering their animal instincts, which is rather involuntary when faced with real danger.

Here’s the thing, if your ideology cannot survive without consistent violence and threats and force… You do not deserve it at all.

People can be ignorant as hell. But logic, compassion and sympathy will usually win them over. Show people love. Show people that you believe in the best intentions.. rather than having automatic suspicion to everyone. Stop violence.

In the end… all our ideologies are wrong. They always always are… 10000 years from now, our future generations will look at us as barbarians who fought over whether green or blue is the best color… Because their ideology will likely have evolved so far, that all ideologies today will be looked upon with such flaws that none of them are defendable… Therefore I feel debate, discussion and continuous observation and self-criticism is the key to getting everyone on board with something that benefits everyone…. Look for the non zero sum games 🙂

People are stupid… Sometimes they infuriate them… But I try force myself to be in their shoes… to understand their plight.. and realize they aren’t horrible human beings… Rarely anyone is… We’re all just deeply flawed. Only a low percent of the population is iredeemably evil.

Anyway yea… Show peace and love… 🙂 rage and hate just breeds rage and hate. Leave the bats and hatches at home.

Why do people get so angry, defensive, and offended over politics?

Well for one, many of their political beliefs (including the ones littered with absolutes and nonsensical animosities) were basically coerced into their subconscious thought processes at a young age before they could develop the critical thinking skills to resist and question those beliefs. As a result, they went all through life viewing the world from narrow but penetrating perspectives that caused them to scour acutely for evidence that supports their beliefs with telescope-precision—while ignoring the mountains of evidence that might exist in the peripheral.

They become highly proficient at finding evidence that supports their ludicrous beliefs but their viewpoints are so constricted that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

Using the ladder of inference to support my point, their instilled beliefs cause them to continually select data that supports and reinforces those beliefs and that cycle only perpetuates.

Also, the more time someone invests in their beliefs and their way of viewing the world, the more traumatic it would be for them to examine evidence that proves they potentially wasted years, decades, possible the majority of their lives, chasing a pipe dream. They would have to come to grips that their numerous criticisms and denunciations of people they disagreed with were probably ill-conceived and needlessly harmful to others.

That thought is too upsetting for many people so they continue to follow the line of least resistance and reinforce their existing beliefs—doubly and triply so when someone confronts them with objectivity or worse…substantiated and observable evidence that’s contrary to what they want to be true.